that would be me asking it on the EuroPython list, and yes I was kind of tired of the mantra "zope is not pythonic". I agree completely with Chris' point.
Also, one thing to consider is that python is used to solve a lot of complex problems - i.e. that involve complex abstractions or problems that are hard to understand by their very nature - so the soution becomes more complex than the average "hello world!", and thus risks being categorised as "unpythonic" :)
Finally, I reccon that of all the people I have heard utter "X is Unpythonic", none has had a good understanding of "X" - at all. That should give us an indication of the value of such statements... ;-)
Also, one thing to consider is that python is used to solve a lot of complex problems - i.e. that involve complex abstractions or problems that are hard to understand by their very nature - so the soution becomes more complex than the average "hello world!", and thus risks being categorised as "unpythonic" :)
Finally, I reccon that of all the people I have heard utter "X is Unpythonic", none has had a good understanding of "X" - at all. That should give us an indication of the value of such statements... ;-)
/dario